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There cant be a worse QB on any NFL roster worse than Kolb. How can it be possible to be that bad after 3 years?

Before anyone makes a reservation to jump off the Walt Whitman Bridge, let’s see what Kolb can do after a week of reps with the first team. I think if they can keep him in a straight-up WCO, throwing on 3 and 5-step drops, a la Feeley when he started, they will be able to move the ball. The Lions scored 27 on the Saints’ D today.

Aside from the McNabb injury, the Eagles’ OL and DL were damn impressive today. Delhomme stinks, but the Eagles were in his face all day. Carolina probably has one of the 5 best OL’s in the NFL, so today’s performance by the DL was even more impressive.

Jason Peters (aka – the undrafted converted TE) was dominant today. He was taking on multiple defenders, both at the LOS and downfield, and he swallowed anyone that tried him 1-on-1. Very encouraging, considering how shaky he looked in the pre-season. Winston Justice had a good day at RT, to boot. If Andrews is going to be down for awhile, which is likely, I still want Runyan to be brought in.

Pretty good performance today, even though they got a lot of help from Delhomme.

No doubt. A dominant performance from the Eagles. I was impressed with the O-Line. It was also a nice tribute to JJ defensively.

Eagles are expected to sign A.J. Feely.

“See what Kolb can do” Are you fuckin’ blind?

Are YOU fucking blind, D-man??? Did you not see what Andy Reid got out of AJ Feeley and Koy Detmer when they had to make emergency starts??? Some pretty good performances, if your memory doesn’t go back that far. Kolb doesn’t have to go out and make a ton of plays. There are plenty of playmakers in this offense. All Kolb has to do is manage the game, and limit the turnovers. The Saints’ defense is not very good. If the Eagles were facing the Giants next week, then yes, there would be reason for serious concern. But he’ll be facing a soft defense with not much of a pass rush (1 sack yesterday vs. Detroit, and that was from a LB).

Pair,

Kevin Kolb is incapable of leading this offense. If you watched the game yesterday even you would have seen that. Not only did Any Reid give him the opportunity to manage the game, he gave him the opportunity to manage the game with a 28-point lead.

And you saw the results – Kolb finished with 7 completions in 11 attempts for 23 yards; he took big hits on a couple of sacks, fumbling the ball on one. He also threw one ball outside that very easily could have been intercepted and returned for a touchdown, but it was dropped.

He failed to move the ball at all against a defense McNabb was cruising through.

Finally, it’s not the Saint’s defense that should worry anybody – it’s the offense. Drew Brees is not going to turn the ball over like Jake Delhomme did yesterday and the Eagles D and ST are most likely not going to score touchdowns again.

Where does that leave Kolb?

A blind man can see it.

I would rather be blind than a short-sighted reactionary like yourself. Kevin Kolb has appeared in TWO halves of NFL play. The first time was Baltimore, and no QB was going to turn that game around. The 2nd time was yesterday, with McNabb’s status unknown, and the Eagles leading by 28 points. Neither situation was exactly a fair test for Kolb.

Kolb has never taken the 1st team reps on game weeks. He’s never been given a gameplan. So this week will be Kolb’s first fair test in the NFL. If he fails, then it’s OK to call for his head. But if Reid can get a big game out of a rag-armed smurf like Koy Detmer, I would think that Kolb can do OK, especially with better weapons than Detmer had. I’m not looking for a 300-yard, 3 TD performance from Kolb. Just use the rushing attack, sustain some drives, eat up as much clock as possible, keep the defense fresh and allow them to keep the Birds in the game.

BTW, Vegas knows Kolb is starting and the Birds have opened at -2.

As a blind man (I can not see the big E on the eye chart), I have to agree with derek. In scientific terms, Kolb sucks. He is a bust. The eagles are very lucky the mcnabb will try to man up and play next week. The eagles are also luck to sign the dog killer. Mcnabb will have problems with the rib most of the year.

Of course the Cowboys’ fan chimes in…it must be September.

When you say “bust”, do you mean like a Drew Henson-type bust…or more like a Quincy Carter???

McNabb will have problems with his rib “most of the year”??? And you know this how??? Ribs are a funny injury. They could take months…they could take a week. It really depends on the exact location of the fracture.

BTW, I haven’t passed judgment on Kolb one way or the other. I just said that I’m willing to wait until he gets a fair chance. Now, if they rush McNabb back before he’s ready, that speaks volumes as to their overall confidence in Kolb.

I am a football fan first. Based on your comments on carter and

I am a football fan first. Based on your comments of Carter and Henson busts (which I agree), I should be consider as an expert in recognizing busts. If Kolb could play a lick, he would have been starting. Or why did the Eagles feel compelled to hire the DOG KILLER if they believed Kolb was the answer?

Wow, I did not know bones can heal in one week. Is McNabb using the T.O. healing process???

I’m not sure Vick was brought in purely to be a QB. I think the Eagles are planning to have him on the field in other capacities.

And bones don’t heal in a week. But depending on the severity, pain can be managed, and players can play. The original report for McNabb was 2 to 4 weeks, which says to me bad…but not that bad. Certainly not your “most of the season” assessment, which would be 9 or more weeks.

Eagles re-sign QB Jeff Garcia for depth behind Donovan McNabb. What does that tell you?

It tells me that McNabb is not playing on Sunday, and Kolb would be the only QB on the active roster if they didn’t sign somebody. What does it tell you???

It tells me that as soon as Kolb gets into trouble (and you know he will) Garcia is in. He knows the offense and will be ready to step in.

They will blitz Kolb as soon as he gets off the bus. He holds the ball way too long afraid to make a miustake. I like A.J but he had to much balls on him. Lets see how this plays out during the week boys. With Garcia Big Red know he can hold Mcnabb out til after the bye week.

Nice pick up with Garcia. I like the move better than A.J.

BTW – Kolb sucks and is a bust. I hope he plays for the next two weeks!

Kolb should be the new Phillies closer

Here’s what the blind man saw…that Derek (among others) did not:

Kolb’s stats as a starter:
85 attempts
55 completions
64.7 completion percentage
716 yards (1st QB in NFL history to pass for 300+ in 1st 2 starts)
4 TDs
3 INTs
92.1 passer rating

I’m not saying Kolb is ready to be a full-time starter, and he has started against 2 suspect defenses. But Kolb’s numbers have exceeded even the most optomistic expectations. I think the people that dismissed Reid’s ability to put Kolb in a position to succeed (i.e. everyone in this thread but me) is eating some crow right about now.

The kolb era has started. Based on the 2 starts and the numbers, he deserves to start for the whole season. I am sold. Please have him start the whole season. Please.

He gets my pro bowl vote. Pairface you are all knowing. I do not know why anyone on this board or anyon in general should question your opinion.

Pair,

You neglected to mention that he is 1-1.

ELI

Derek – Would Joe Montana have led the Eagles to a win over the Saints that game, given how poorly the Eagles’ defense and special teams played??? QB’s don’t win or lose games by themselves. Kolb played well enough to keep the Eagles in that game. But the defense couldn’t keep Brees off the field, and Hobbs’ fumbled KR to start the 2nd half was the back-breaking play of that game. All 3 of Kolb’s INTs came with the Saints leading by double-digits (2 INTs were in garbage time). 2 of the picks were bad throws…but Reid was calling pass on every play at that point. You neglected all of this.

Looking at post #7 of this thread, your exact words were “Kevin Kolb is incapable of leading this offense”. Are you still standing by this comment? Or do you admit that there’s a slight possibility that you got it wrong???

6SBR – Go back and read what I wrote about Kolb 2 weeks ago (see #’s 2, 6 & 8 above). All I said was to wait and see how Kolb did after working with the #1 unit and getting a gameplan before passing judgment. Everybody in this thread, yourself included, dismissed my reasoning. Derek, Dave and E-Money also pointed out in the podcast 2 weeks ago how bad Kolb was and/or how wrong I was for asking for patience. The consensus here was that Garcia would be running the offense by now. Garcia is going to be unemployed once McNabb is healthy.

Kolb has exceeded everyone’s expectations. He got the Eagles to the bye week with a solid performance, and a very good performance. Now, the Eagles don’t have to bring McNabb back until he’s 100%. After the bye, the Eagles have the Bucs in Week 5 and the Raiders in Week 6. If McNabb is not ready to go, I have no problem with Kolb starting those 2 games.

Give the Pair his due. He called it. Kolb has exceed even Pf’s expectations. So Pair, say the Eagles do start Kolb against TB and OAK, and he continues his streak of 300+ passing. With the Eagles sitting 4-1 riding a hot QB, whom would you start?

What’s up with your Phillies? 4 game lead with six to play. A Sunday game on the last day of the season against the Marlins. Sounds kinda familiar.

Pair,

I will admit that Montana would not have pulled out a win against the Saints with the Eagles’ defense coming up so lame.

However, I have to ask you to at least acknowledge that you don’t need a ton of talent at the QB position to beat the Chiefs.

So in this respect, it is a wash.

Nice try D-man, but that’s a cop-out, and you know it. When you use words like INCAPABLE, that means he can’t do it against anyone, period. You wrote Kolb off, based on what you saw from him in previous, limited action. You guys spent 10+ minutes on this thread’s podcast talking about how bad Kolb is. Now, you are trying to justify your position by saying it was only the Chiefs. Well guess what, after watching the first 3 weeks of the season, there are a LOT of defenses in the NFL on par with the Chiefs. The Eagles next 2 opponents are on par with the Chiefs.

If I have to acknowledge that the Chiefs are bad, then YOU must acknowledge that Kolb has looked exponentially better as a starter than he did in his 2 previous appearances in relief of McNabb. You’re not in a credible position to argue it any other way right now.

Kolb could have a clunker at some point, and I’m not predicting Kolb’s long-term career prospects, good, bad or otherwise. But you took the position that Kolb would NEVER be able to succeed. Look at the title of this thread. You wrote comments like “not a capable backup”, “a disaster” and “no other option” about Kolb.

There’s no “wash” here…you are WRONG.

Lets Go Mets – If Kolb starts the next 2 games and does well…I still bench him the minute McNabb is available. Kolb will have done his job, and would have 4 good starts under his belt, albeit against 4 mediocre defenses.

But like I said in the previous post, there are a lot of mediocre/bad defenses out there right now. Outside of Baltimore, Pittsburgh (with Polamalu) NYG, and maybe the Jets, there are not a lot of elite-level defenses. The on-field NFL product is probably as bad as it has been in the last 10 years. Which is why guys like Cassel last year, and Kolb this year, can step in and have effective starts.

As for the Phils, they should still hold on for the division. But they’re not looking at a long trip in the playoffs if they can’t get the pitching together. They peaked at the perfect time last year. Neither the bullpen nor the starters seem to be real effective right now.

Based on kolbs great numbers and great success, andy should call parcells and get a 1st round pick from miami.

Too late for that. KC traded Thigpen to Miami. But trading Kolb down the road is not so far-fetched. The Patriots got a lot for Cassel.

BTW 6sbrs, your sarcasm is stale and you’re not very good at using it. I just thought you should know.

“The Patriots got a lot for Cassel.”

The New England Patriots traded linebacker Mike Vrabel and quarterback Matt Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for the Chiefs second-round pick (34th overall) in the 2009 NFL Draft.

Kolb was a 2nd round pick (36th overall). If the Eagles get a 2nd round pick for Kolb and a player of Vrabel’s caliber (say Sheldon Brown) would you still consider it “a lot”?

Vrabel is a guy in the last year of his contract, and near the end of his career. Sheldon Brown has a much higher trade value than Vrabel. This is aside from the fact that CBs are a much more valued commodity around the NFL than OLBs are. Brown is probably worth a low 2/high 3 by himself right now.

Cassel was a 7th round pick. So yes, trading a former 7th round pick, plus an aging, soon-to-be free agent OLB for the 34th pick in the draft is “a lot”. Kolb + Brown would have to fetch a decent 1 for me to consider it “a lot”

I’m not advocating trading Kolb. But if the Eagles long-term plans don’t include Kolb, then trading him could be a possibility.

Garcia cut to make room for TROTTER. What do the Garcia fans on this site have to say???

Kold named nfc offensive player of the week.

“But trading Kolb down the road is not so far-fetched. The Patriots got a lot for Cassel.”

Obviously the Pats made out well, but Kolb was a 2nd round pick(reach) by the Eagles.

If K.C. paid a 2nd for Cassell and Vrabel, what do you think the Eagles could get for Kolb? Anything less than a first round pick would be a loss.

I don’t know what the Eagles could get for Kolb, and I doubt they are shopping him, now or in the near future. I agree that anything less than a 1st is not good value, considering where they drafted him. They could not get a 1 for him right now. But if he continues to perform well when he’s called upon, he could possibly rise to that level. There is a lot of crap out there at the QB position around the league. Campbell, Delhomme, Orton, Quinn, Edwards, Russell (talk about a bust), Collins, Garrard, Hill, and whoever is starting in Tampa at the moment. More than 1/3 of the starting QBs in the NFL are garbage.